Angelqueen is run by "servitium" aka John Grasmeier who assists at a Mass offered by the SSPX. However, he is not an SSPX exclusivist and believes that God wants traditionalists of all stripes to work together without rancour to restore His Church.
Consequently the forum has members who assist at Masses offered by the SSPX, FSSP, ICK, "Independent priests", diocesan "Indult Masses", and there are even some of us over there who are still trapped in Novus Ordo land (undermining the liberal bastions from within the walls, as it were!)
The site is increasingly becoming an international online gathering point for traditionalists and because of its influence is attracting interviews with even senior members of the hierarchy.
As with any forum it can become a little "rough and tumble" at times, but generally they are a good-hearted lot who will make people welcome. I am sure that you or any of your readers would be welcome to contribute if you have the time.
Every blessing.
Deacon Augustine
P.S. My apologies to John Grasmeier if I have misrepresented him in any way, but I think my assessment is pretty accurate. ;)
Saturday, 11 November 2006
Angelqueen Forum
Many thanks to Deacon Augustine for sending the following helpful information about the Angelqueen forum which I mentioned a short while ago.
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Those who read French will be fascinated by 'Le Forum catholique' where many French Catholics supportive the Old Rite post and discuss. Since France is so crucial to the whole issue of the Rite's liberation, it's a fascinating site:
http://www.leforumcatholique.org/
Many thanks, Tom. It looks very interesting.
" ... the forum has members who assist at Masses offered by the SSPX, FSSP, ICK ... "
It saddens me that devout Catholics should be so indiscriminate as to indulge the schismatics of the SSPX, when with a little wit a Tridentine rite mass or a Novus Ordo mass (whether in the vernacular or in Latin) said by a holy and sympathetic priest can usually be found.
The Lefebvrists commit the two primordial sins of Satan and of Adam: Pride and Disobedience. How that undoubted fervour and piety could have been used in the service of the Church, fighting for truth and tradition from within - this is a sinful, wasted opportunity. Instead, with each new ordination, they are becoming more and more of a sect. For all their avowed love of Holy Mother Church "as it was", how can they in conscience be happy with open schism? I love the pre-Conciliar liturgy, but I put a higher value on the Mystical Body of Christ and if supping with the Lefebvrists of the SSPX will use a long spoon and enjoin other "traditionalists" likewise.
As far as I can tell, Rome has avoided using the term schism of the SSPX as far as possible and is actively seeking to find a solution whereby their situation can be regularised.
From what I can tell, it may be that some members of the SSPX are unlikely every to be fully reconciled with Rome (as they would say "Conciliar Rome" as opposed to "Eternal Rome"). Whereas others, I think, are sincerely looking for a way to solve the present situation which is unacceptable canonically and in terms of jurisdiction.
Bear in mind that some French Catholics are simply not given the opportunity to attend an Old Rite mass other than one provided by the SSPX. For example, to my knowledge - subject to correction of course if I prove wrong - a diocese such as Reims has consistently refused to grant any indult masses in the Old Rite. If people in Reims end up going to SSPX masses, this is no doubt their responsibility - but are the diocesan authorities entirely without some responsibility in the matter too? Much said by certain SSPX bishops may be mighty unpleasant - but why deliver Catholics into their hands?
With a heavy heart I quote below from the Apostolic Letter "Ecclesia Dei" of John Paul II given Motu Proprio on 2nd July 1988 (emphasis mine):
"3. In itself, this act was one of disobedience to the Roman Pontiff in a very grave matter and of supreme importance for the unity of the church, such as is the ordination of bishops whereby the apostolic succession is sacramentally perpetuated. Hence such disobedience - which implies in practice the rejection of the Roman primacy - constitutes a schismatic act. In performing such an act, notwithstanding the formal canonical warning sent to them by the Cardinal Prefect of the Congregation for Bishops on 17 June last, Mons. Lefebvre and the priests Bernard Fellay, Bernard Tissier de Mallerais, Richard Williamson and Alfonso de Galarreta, have incurred the grave penalty of excommunication envisaged by ecclesiastical law."
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"5c) In the present circumstances I wish especially to make an appeal both solemn and heartfelt, paternal and fraternal, to all those who until now have been linked in various ways to the movement of Archbishop Lefebvre, that they may fulfil the grave duty of remaining united to the Vicar of Christ in the unity of the Catholic Church, and of ceasing their support in any way for that movement. Everyone should be aware that formal adherence to the schism is a grave offence against God and carries the penalty of excommunication decreed by the Church's law."
This Motu Proprio went on to set up a Commission, which I believe, eventually led to the founding of the FSSP.
The late Holy Father went on to say:
" ... moreover, respect must everywhere be shown for the feelings of all those who are attached to the Latin liturgical tradition, by a wide and generous application of the directives already issued some time ago by the Apostolic See for the use of the Roman Missal according to the typical edition of 1962."
...when with a little wit a Tridentine rite mass... said by a holy and sympathetic priest can usually be found.
The whole point is that regular Tridentine masses are few and far between to be found and that is why SSPX chapels are frequented because some bishops think "liturgical diveristy" does not apply to the Tridentine rite!
Yes, Londiniensis, the act of consecrating another bishop without the licence of the Holy See is a schismatic act and incurs excommunication. Formal adherence to such a schism would etc. etc.
The point is tht Rome does not bash on about the members of the SSPX being in schism but avoids the term as far as possible in an effort to seek conciliation and a suitable pastoral solution.
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