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Monday, 23 February 2009

Responding to the Tablet - legally compliant version

Today, bloggers Fr Ray Blake, Jane and I met up at the Ha Ha bar at Victoria for lunch. Fr Blake suprised me at Westminster Cathedral while I was being horrified by the latest issue of the Tablet. Can someone tell me - why is this paper on sale at the Cathedral?

The Tablet have contacted me to say that my fisk of the article "That was not my Mass" was a breach of copyright and would I remove it. The last ditch liberals really do not understand the internet, do they? 

OK, the article is down. Now here is my legally compliant review, with only little bits quoted in accordance with the "fair use" provision, and the rest reported in my own words. (The previous version allowed complete fairness to the author of the article by quoting her words exactly.) Following the Zuhlsdorf convention, at various points, there are my emphases in black and my comments in red. It's a bit ragged in places and you can see the joins - but hey! I'm not spending all night on this nonsense.

I must add a little extra to this revised post from information received. I understand that the Tablet was indeed intending to "have a go" at a parish that offered the usus antiquior. Another Southwark parish was in the crosshairs but mine was set as the target because there were a few parishioners prepared to go on record. I also hear that the Tablet regards the Catholic blogosphere as a "tiny conservative world". As I say - they just don't understand the internet. If you tot up the combined readership of the Catholic blogs which have written on this issue, they have a daily readership far in excess of the Tablet's weekly circulation. One reason for that low circulation is that the Tablet thinks that enforcing copyright on the internet helps their cause. Bwahahaha!


A review and observations on the article "That was not my Mass" by Elena Curti, published in The Tablet.

The heading of this article sets the tone:

... 40 years ago blah blah sentiment reversed... Tridentine rite ... Blackfen ... split the parish

The exordium gets us in the mood: "Each Sunday at around 9.45 a.m." [or earlier - youngsters get there up to an hour before Mass to help prepare] a team at Our Lady of the Rosary, blah blah gold crucifix... candlesticks... flowers... altar cards... old Latin Mass. "Welcome to the parish of Fr Tim Finigan."

Then we hear how Fr Finigan, "step by step", [that is, gradually, with explanations, over a couple of years] introduced the Extraordinary Form and "split the parish." [Ah yes, the "split" - that's a key point of the article - but in fact the vast majority of parishioners just come along to whichever Mass they want, and wonder what all the fuss is about. What hurts them is the bad atmosphere caused by vehement complaining and controversy. This is not helped, of course, by airing it all in the press.]

Elena Curti said:
Between 30 and 40 people no longer attend the church and a similar number have taken their place. [Hmmm. In these suburban parishes, over the course of a year or so, there are at least that number coming and going for all sorts of reasons.]
Elena Curti said:
The row about numbers has become so heated that supporters of Fr Finigan carefully count the numbers attending the Sunday morning old-rite Mass. [We have long counted all the numbers at all the Masses. More recently, the accuracy of these counts has been made an issue. It has been important to counter the claim that the usus antiquior Mass is not well supported. 135 came last Sunday. Total at the four masses, about 550.]
It was said that Bishop Pat Lynch, had been called in to mediate. [Not quite. He was complained to, and generously took time to meet various people and advise on bringing peace in the situation.]

My parish was referred to as "fairly typical" - it still is, in may ways.Much was made of the fact that there are no extraordinary ministers of the Eucharist, that altar rails have been installed and that the parish priest "makes it clear that he prefers communicants to kneel and to receive the Host on the tongue." [I have passed on the insights of Archbishop Ranjith, Bishop Schneider and others, and mentioned the example of Pope Benedict. As with other matters, this is not about what "I prefer" but about what is best.]

It was mentioned that at the Sunday evening Mass in the new rite, there are no bidding prayers and the congregation is not invited to exchange the sign of peace. [At the other new-rite Sunday Masses, these things are all available.] Then we have the great liberal war cry: "Fr Finigan says the Eucharistic Prayer with his back to the congregation."

A claim was reported that the people who welcome the older form of the Mass are predominantly newcomers living outside the parish. The claim is false.

Then there was some stuff about only "Six parishioners" wanting the "Latin Mass." I have no idea where that number comes from: there are far mor than that. There was also the obligatory use of the word "imposed." The usus antiquior is not imposed on anyone - we have four weekend precept Masses, three of them in English in the novus ordo

Elena Curtie wrote:
The group [nine parishioners] describe feelings of irritation, discomfort and sadness at the changes that have been made. Those who prefer to stand for Communion and receive it in the hand say they feel selfconscious doing so at Fr Finigan’s Masses. [I never do anything to indicate disapproval of someone receiving Holy Communion correctly according to the current norms. Many people have told me of how priests have made difficulties for them receiving on the tongue. As for kneeling when everyone else is standing - well we all know how that goes down.]
Elena Curti also wrote:
Rules introduced include an insistence on silence in the church before and after Mass, [Rules? I periodically ask people not to hold conversations in the Church so that others are left free to pray if they want to. Some people just ignore this.]
It was reported that critics complained that there was little opportunity for parishioners to meet socially after Mass. In fact, whenever I talk about silence in Church, I always affirm the importance of social interaction outside or in the Hall.

Perhaps the most unpleasant part of the article was where Elena Curti said:
There were also complaints about their priest’s refusal to support Cafod, his expenditure on traditional vestments and other clerical garb, the absence of a parish council and failure to account to parishioners how money from the collection plate was being spent.
I consider this to be a cheap shot and address the matter below.

The article then went on to describe how the matter began when Bernard Wynne, a retired management consultant, set out his grievances in an email to me, several other parishioners and, (though this was not mentioned) the Archbishop and the Area Bishop. One email was quoted which is in the public domain and illustrates the problem of understanding that it was necessary for me to address:
“I grew up with the Latin Mass and remember sitting watching men and women saying the Rosary, slyly reading the newspaper or making responses they didn’t really understand. The English Mass made us participants and co-celebrants in the sacrifice of the Mass. The instruction to ‘open the windows and doors’ is one of the most liberating things to happen in the Catholic Church. If you listen carefully you can hear them being shut in Blackfen.”
My response was reported as "a 35 page essay." In fact the emails to which I was responding ran to a total of over 20,000 words and included many misconceptions regarding the Liturgy (such as the above) which I felt it necessary to address. You can read my response here: Sacred and Great.

My address to the LMS was also mentioned - as the real strategy behind all this. I did indeed refer to priests as the "infantry" who needed to overcome "problems and difficulties" over the introduction of the extraordinary form into parishes. One problem would be overcoming the idea that the laity are "co-celebrants" with the priest (a doctrinal error condemned by Pope Pius XII.) The reference to "infantry" was an allusion to the phrase "poor bloody infantry" who are at times attacked by both officers and civilians. This sometimes ring true for parish clergy.

The article correctly represented my opinion, confirmed by other priests with reference to most things that happen in parishes, that there are a few who are very much in favour, a few who are strongly against, and “the substantial majority who simply wonder what Father is doing now”.

Then there was the "stable group" thing. I was reported as "admitting" that there was not a stable group. There certainly is a stable group - what I did not do was to get them to draw up a petition etc. I read SP as allowing the pastor to introduce the usus antiquior for pastoral reasons and felt it was more honest to do just that. (See my post 'If ... but not "only if"'). I think that Cardinal Hoyos supports this position.

Of the parishioners who support the Benedictine project of reform and continuity, one who was quoted, Wendy Kane, a mother of seven-year-old twins was reported as living "just outside the parish boundary". Why mention this? In suburban parishes, many people going to any particular Church will live "just outside the boundary." Wendy said:
“The extraordinary form is not what I grew up with and I never experienced it before. I personally find it a beautiful form of worship.” [And her boys are very eager to start serving as soon as they have made their first Communion, and her husband is being received into the Church this Easter.]
Julia Jones, a 38- year-old teacher was also quoted:
“I have been very moved by the silence and palpable feeling of devotion, especially during the Eucharistic Prayer. I have gained greatly from the experience in only a few months. I really do believe that I have found ‘the pearl of great price’.”
Bishop Lynch was reported as saying that the parish needed to build communion through prayer and social activities so that we have a situation where people respect diversity but can also come together,” he said. [I heartily concur - and many thanks to Bishop Lynch for his tactful interventions at every stage.]

Elena Curti concluded her article:
Some welcome what Fr Finigan is doing. It is equally clear that some do not. If Fr Finigan is right, and the priest’s responsibility for the liturgy in his parish is absolute, [It is not absolute, it is subject to the law of the Church. Pope Benedict more than once pointed out that even the Pope is subject to the tradition of the Church.] there is nothing parishioners can do about it. And there could be many more Blackfens in the future. [I must get a parish anthem going (ouside the Liturgy, of course) - something along the lines of "There's only one Blackfen!"]
Just a note on finances. The bit about vestments and clerical garb (Boo! Hiss!) is, as I said, a cheap shot. It is a part of my responsibility to ensure that there are dignified vestments for the Liturgy. Gradually, over 11 years, I have spent judiciously in accordance with our budget to secure worthy vestments. I have also recovered a substantial quantity of vestments and other liturgical artefacts free of charge from people who did not have any use for them (i.e. might have thrown them out.) "Clerical garb" probably refers to things like my cassock and Ferraiuolo etc. These come out of my own pocket - thankfully, the parishioners as a whole are very generous at Christmas and Easter (significantly more generous this Christmas than usual).

Over the past few years, helped by many parishioners, I have also, among other works, replaced the roof, floor, heating and lighting in the Hall, put in disabled toilets and levelled the entrance, repainted the interior of the Church, replaced the roof on two areas, replaced the guttering, replaced the public address system, put in an industrial spec kitchen in the Club (for the lunch club to provide lunch every week for 40 elderly people without falling foul of health and safety law).

We also raise money regularly for the Bexley Deanery Third World Project, Aid to the Church in Need, the Manna Centre for the Homeless, the Bexley Centre for the Unemployed, the Good Counsel Network, and Cardiac Research in the Young to name but a few. In place of CAFOD, I send our Family Fast Day money to the Pontifical Council Cor Unum (which CAFOD is a partner of, I think.) That way, we support the Church's development work without contributing to glossy advertising or a questionable policy on HIV prevention.

Fr Z today quotes a famous remark of Pope Benedict when he read a negative article about him in an Italian daily:
"If I don’t read an article like that every week or so, I have to examine my conscience."
Admirable - but daunting. A man to admire and emulate not only in liturgical matters.

71 comments:

big benny said...

It was said that Bishop Pat Lynch, had been called in to mediate. [Not quite. He was complained to, and generously took time to meet various people and advise on bringing peace in the situation.]

Good definiton of 'mediation' me thinks!

Jane Teresa said...

A rather clunkier version, this, Father, thanks to the Tablet's very "un-liberal" enforcement of copyright, but one which roused a chuckle or two. Keep fighting the good fight!

Ottaviani said...

That is a photo I thought I would never see.

Elizabeth said...

Dear Father
If it wasn't for your blog 147 people would not have read what Ms Curti wrote in the Tablet, that is probably more readers than they have yearly. They should be paying you royalties, no decent Catholic reads the Tablet except to criticize it and yet here you are giving them the time of day.
Your reward is not of this world. It is a privilege to be a part of your parish.
God Bless you, you are in our family rosary.

Fr Tim Finigan said...

bb - he is a great mediator, yes. It is the "called in" bit I have a quibble with. Fits with the "terrible split" nonsense. He was not "called in to mediate" but complained to in the hope that the TLM would be squashed or I would be moved. When neither happened, they went to the press.

George said...

RIGHT! THE GLOVES ARE OFF!

These people at the Tablet are in la-la land! Typical of all these so-called 'tolerance' bleating liberals they throw all the toys out of their pram and cry "foul" the moment they don't get their own way as is so very obvious in this instance where they have got such a roasting and a good slapping from right across the Catholic blogosphere for writing that garbage about Blackfen Parish and trying to tarnish the good name and standing of one of the best Catholic priests in the universe!

Honestly the Tablet have collectvely got more 'neck' than all the giraffes at London Zoo!

They can shove their copyright for what it's worth right up where the sun don't shine. Not worth the paper it's written on, I mean, let's be ecological about this, don't they realise how big a carbon footprint they're leaving, the CO2 they're emmitting and how much damage they're doing to the planet by 'printing stuff on paper'! Blogs rule and they don't like it because they have no control (oh yes, and no sales revenue).

Bye bye Tablet, you're 'his-toe-reeee', prepare to meet thy maker.
Anyone care to suggest a new day job for Ms Curti?

JoannaB said...

I think most people are in favour of having the option of a Latin Mass. It's a shame that the Tablet were just looking for a news story and not above the tactics of the tabloid secular press. I like the 'That's not my Mass theme' - might add one or two of my own to my Blog!

Fr Ray Blake said...

How appalling that the Tablet should write about you and then refuse you permission to reproduce their article in order to respond to their criticism.
What unpleasant people they are.



It was good to see you today!

Ray from MN said...

It's a shame you took down your original blog post. Had you left it up and they had sued, thousands of free speech advocates would have come to your aid.

Attacking someone and then not allowing them to defend themselves against specific charges in the attack sounds rather totalitarian to me and most others.

The Tablet's day is over. They just are too obtuse to realize it.

big benny said...

Dear Fr F,
I think in your rush to make reprisals against the Tablet article, you are overlooking (perhaps deliberately) the fundamental and underlying difficulty about what you are doing in Blackfen. The 'problem' arises from your interpretation of SP.

www.rccommentary2.blogspot.com has a very good analysis of the motu proprio with a differing rendering of the actual text than your position. Many think that so-called 'traditionalists' are guilty here of advocating what might be called 'the spirit of SP'.
I hope you will allow this differing opinion to remain on your blog to demonstrate your own tolerance.

Questions and Answers reflecting on Blackfen's "little spot of bother"

Q1: What is the significance of the language of "extraordinary form" and "ordinary form" in Summorum Pontificum?
A1: Explicitly, Summorum Pontificum speaks of "one Roman Rite" with two forms. From a juridical point of view, one should not consider one of the two forms as being in any way more "traditional" than the other form. [One might discuss in academic journals the historical development of the texts, but that is a completely different sort of question.] In a similar vein, a particular form of spirituality should not be seen as attaching to the celebration of one form rather than the other.

Q2: Should there be more celebrations of the extraordinary form in parishes as a result of implementing Summorum Pontificum?
A2: No, not necessarily. Summorum Pontificum makes it easier, from a juridical point of view, for celebrations of the extraordinary form to take place. This is intended, on the one hand, to help create a situation where groups who are not in a proper communion with the Holy See can be helped to regularise their situations, and, on the other hand, to ease the situation of those attached to the extraordinary form who take part in what one might call the ordinary life of parishes and dioceses. Nowhere in Summorum Pontificum, or in the accompanying letter to Bishops, is there envisaged the campaign to promote celebration of the extraordinary form that can be seen in some Catholic blogs, and associated with coverage of events such as the Latin Mass Society's training conferences.

Q3: Are there situations where celebrating Mass according to the extraordinary form should take precedence over celebrating according to the ordinary form?
A3: Two observations here. Pope Benedict XVI's letter to Bishops that accompanied Summorum Pontificum explicitly contains the expectation that the ordinary form of celebration will continue to be precisely that, the ordinary form. The letter bases this on the fact that appreciation of the extraordinary form arises from a particular liturgical formation that is not commonly found among ordinary Catholics, and on the "juridical norms". So my first observation is that the ordinary form remains the ordinary form, remains the ordinary form and remains the ordinary form. In the majority of pastoral circumstances, the presumption should therefore be in favour of celebrating in the ordinary form, and not allowing it to be in a certain sense "displaced" by the extraordinary form. As a second observation, Summorum Pontificum permits one celebration of the extraordinary form on Sundays and Holy Days, with, in my view, the intention that this permission should be used to respond to the situation of those attached to the extraordinary form; it should not, in my view, be used to promote the extraordinary form. In my view, the arrangement of such celebrations should take place in such a way that there is no appearance of the celebration of the extraordinary form "displacing" a celebration of the ordinary form - that would be to offend against the notion of the ordinary form remaining the ordinary form. One way to achieve this, but not the only way, might be for such celebrations to be seen as celebrations at deanery level, rather than individual parish level, with collaborative arrangements for celebration of the ordinary form in nearby parishes.

Q4: Does Summorum Pontificum have any implications for parishes where no celebrations of the extraordinary form take place?
A4: Yes, and one should not underestimate the importance of this for having a complete perspective on Blackfen's "little spot of bother". Pope Benedict's letter proposes an idea of "mutual enrichment" between the celebrations of the two forms, and this is clearly relevant to every celebration of the ordinary form wherever it takes place. The relevant passage from the letter follows, with my own emphasis added:

Qoute:
The celebration of the Mass according to the Missal of Paul VI will be able to demonstrate, more powerfully than has been the case hitherto, the sacrality which attracts many people to the former usage. The most sure guarantee that the Missal of Paul VI can unite parish communities and be loved by them consists in its being celebrated with great reverence in harmony with the liturgical directives. This will bring out the spiritual richness and the theological depth of this Missal.

The ordinary form can, in my view, contribute to the development of the extraordinary form in areas of participation by the congregation and a wider range of texts such as prefaces. But the extraordinary form can contribute to the celebration of the ordinary form a real sense of the sacredness of liturgical celebration and an attitude of faithfulness to the rubrics. This aspect of the phenomenon that is Summorum Pontificum has, frankly, been almost totally ignored in parishes and dioceses. And yet, it appears to me an essential part of the intentions of Summorum Pontificum with regard to its two directions of glance: both towards those outside proper communion with the Holy See (they will the more readily be reconciled if they can see the ordinary form being celebrated properly, in addition to their access to the extraordinary form for their own use) and towards those attached to the extraordinary form in normal parish and diocesan situations (there will be a real possibility of a kind of "mutual respect" between those attached to the two forms of celebration, that would avoid the occurence of "bother"). It is also the aspect of Summorum Pontificum that is relevant to most ordinary Catholics; it is in my view much more important pastorally than arranging for more celebrations of the extraordinary form.

Q5: Do I think Summorum Pontificum was a good thing?
A5: I have no attachment to the extraordinary form, so the juridical provisions of Summorum Pontificum with regard to the celebration of the extraordinary form do not directly affect me. I suspect that this is true of the vast majority of ordinary Catholics in the UK. I have no dissatisfaction with the Motu Proprio and accompanying letter in themselves. However, I am disappointed by the almost complete failure to implement the idea of "mutual enrichment", both in terms of the celebration of the ordinary form as discussed above and in terms of the development of the extraordinary form. Among the proponents of the extraordinary form, for example, I have tended to see a resistance to any development in the liturgical form (though I do recall an observation once about it being again a living liturgical form in the Church!). Another thing I am unhappy with is the feeling of being forced into "taking a stance" with regard to the extraordinary form, something that has happened, not because of Summorum Pontificum itself, but because of the promotion in favour of the extraordinary form that has taken place since. I am also disappointed in the continued use of the term "Traditional Latin Mass" (for example, in the title of a recently published CTS pamphlet) to refer to the extraordinary form, for reasons which should be apparent from my answer to Q1 above. It fails, in my view, to reflect the juridical status of the extraordinary form established by Summorum Pontificum.

pontesisto said...

I want to use rude words, which you (rightly) would not publish.

So, instead:

Twits!

becket said...

You have to realize that the problem is the power the liberals and progressivists have in the church. Get rid of their influence and your problem is solved!. Why do I have a feeling that the Catholic Church is slowly falling into the same trap that the Anglican Church did. with Highchurch (TLM) Low Church(Neo Catecumical Way) and Broad Church The majority. NO regular Masses with EMHC, altar girls, and bad contemporary liturgical music). Sounds all to depressing!. May have to start looking East, if things don't start changing soon in a big way.

Fr Tim Finigan said...

bb - I have read Joseph's article. Normally I would not look kindly on comments that simply paste an article in. What you should do is to put in a link and add your own comment about it. But I'll let it go in the interests of dialogue.

However, yes, Joseph makes a good point about "mutual enrichment" and I do need to write some more about that. In fact, it is something I try to bring about every day in my parish. The EF does not supplant the OF.

I don't agree with the restrictive interpretation of SP - Cardinal Hoyos gave plenty of room for the more generous interpretation that I have promoted.

Those who have not become used to the usus antiquior but have always fostered a reverent celebration of the Novus Ordo can be rather irritated at the predominance of talk about the EF. I understand this because that was exactly my own position some years ago.

In the end, you can't really appreciate why people are so enthusiastic about the EF without becoming accustomed to its celebration. For many of us, that needs a moment of providence. In my case it was a funeral.

Vox Cantoris said...

The Catholic world is becoming well aware of what the fascistsandalistas at The Tablet are doing.

Hang in their Father Finigan, we're all here to back you up and that is what they are afraid of!

God bless.

Vox Cantoris
Toronto

Fr Tim Finigan said...

becket - why not form your own Church and have the liturgy exactly as it should be?

Sorry, that is a bit harsh - but we cannot talk at all about what the Liturgy should or should not be outside the context of the communion of the Church.

Jordanes said...

Since the purpose of Father's previous version was criticism, it would probably be covered under the "fair dealing" exception to Britain's copyright law. They wrote their hit piece, so they must in fairness allow you to critic what they published.

Laurence England said...

I've a good mind to order 1,000 flaming torches, gather a hoard of Catholics and camp outside the Tablet's HQ. They can't stand the heat and now they're trying to silence you.

It is quite bizarre really. You are seen as dangerous and subversive, yet the only people subverting the Church in public are people like Ms Curti and whoever in the Tablet are backing her. Scandalous!

Adoro said...

Father, I haven't commented in awhile, and not at all on this issue, although I've been following it.

I think it's completely shameful what the Tablet did, and the backstabbing from your own parishioners is outright appalling.

So, would it be improper for me to say that if I could afford a trip to the UK solely for the purpose of coming to Blackfen, attending Mass (the EF!), and shaking your hand....I would do so.

You're doing amazing things, it seems to me you've done them all properly, and it's a small minority who can't tolerate an end to their tyranny.

My own Pastor, a few weeks ago, gave an incredible homily about how demons react in the presence of holiness; the fact that the banshees are crying for your blood says a great deal about what you're doing and who is really in charge...and it ain't the banshees.

Prayers!

big benny said...

Elizabeth - The Tablet has a not inconsequential circulation of c.25,000 and an international readership of 65,000. Compare this to the Catholic Herald circulation of 20,000 (readership 43,000)and it places into context Damian (666) Thompson's constant sniping about it.

Another point of view! said...

This is off the subject a little, but I have a question. Is Father Peter Gee a priest in your parish? We remember him from a period of time he spent in the Kansas City, MO, USA area and have seen something recently that he is in the Southwark diocese???

Fr Tim Finigan said...

Fr Gee is in the Diocese of Southwark - he has his own parish in Stockwell.

Paul said...

I'm disgusted with The Tablet's conduct through all this. Many years ago I was a subscriber, and I still used to buy it occasionally for years afterwards. I shall not bother again until the current regime, and especially Ms Curti, have moved on to new pastures.

But, really, who is at fault in all this? It's not The Tablet, but anyone who went to the magazine and told them there was a news story here. They should be ashamed of themselves, because the Church has enough trouble in Godless Britain as it is.

Hidden One said...

There's another fisk or two floating around that [apologies to Fr. Finigan] pose more of a threat to the Tablet... silly Tablet. Can't win.

Diane M. Korzeniewski said...

You have got to be kidding me? Copyright?

What a bunch of bozos.

Father, are you sure you didn't find The Tablet in the WC stalls and mistake it for reading material, as opposed to toilet paper?

researcher said...

big benny/big bertha (tablenistas),

Thanks for the info re: the Catholic Herald. I just visited their site and at a glance it looks like an excellent paper. I'll be visiting it frequently. http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/



Fr. Tim, I've been reading your blog for some time but haven't posted before. Thank you so much for your mission. You've taught me so much about my faith and given me strength at times of need. You're a true servant of God and have my support and prayers.

God Bless

Dom said...

OK Big Benny, perhaps your memory is not so good. Let me quote from the Catolic Herald:

The Pope wants the traditional Latin Mass offered in every Catholic parish in the world, a Vatican cardinal has said.

Cardinal Dario Castrillon Hoyos also told journalists in London that seminarians everywhere should be trained to say Mass in the extraordinary form of the Roman Rite, also called the Tridentine rite.

Cardinal Castrillon made the comments last Saturday, shortly before he became the first cardinal to celebrate the older High Mass in Westminster Cathedral for 39 years.

When asked by The Catholic Herald if the Pope wanted to see many ordinary parishes making provision for the traditional form, the cardinal said: "All the parishes. Not many - all the parishes, because this is a gift of God. He [the Pope] offers these riches, and it is very important for new generations to know the past of the Church. This kind of worship is so noble, so beautiful - the deepest theologians' way to express our faith.

"The worship, the music, the architecture, the painting, make a whole that is a treasure. The Holy Father is willing to offer to all the people this possibility, not only for the few groups who demand it but so that everybody knows this way of celebrating the Eucharist in the Catholic Church."


How about that for an interpretation? read the rest here

Fr Seán Coyle said...

Adoro, I know this is slightly off the main point. While not disagreeing with you, as an Irishman I must point out that the banshee in Irish mythology has never been seen as a demon but as a harbinger of the death of someone in certain families.

My late mother often told me about her father having heard the banshee in August 1917 in their home in Dublin when she was a toddler. Shortly after that my grandmother received the news of her brother's death in Flanders in the Great War. He was killed on the Feast of the Transfiguration, 1917, and I located his grave in September 2001.

Whether the banshee exists only in the imaginations of people I don't know but she is certainly not a demon.

Francis said...

Fr. Tim,

Ah - the "fair use" provision.

That's why the tabletistas are so selective in their approach to papal encyclicals, the decrees of the Second Vatican Council and the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

Now I understand...

berenike said...

There's a copy of Elena's article on our blog, with Fr Z's fisk, if anyone wants to see it.

colmcille2 said...

First reaction to the Pill's article was ' how very sad and totally meally mouthed'. Now that they want to suppress your blog comments, well that's hilarious!I'm sure a new job for ms Curti could be found in China...
Re Pill circulation; in my Parish 4 copies appear and at end of week 4 copies are removed; circulation 4, readership nil. In the cathedral about 500 copies piled high, I suspect 495 removed at end of week.ie We Catholics unknowingly subsidise the rag.
regards, Ken

Tiberius said...

All the best from Berlin! Keep up the good work! Vale!

Henry said...

The Tablet people sound like a bunch of [word which one would not want to use on a parish priest's blog]. They must be really scared. They might even have sold a few more copies of their dated rag due to Fr Finigan's free publicity.

Talking of legal niceties, is the use of the term Catholic by the Tablet not a breach of Trades Descriptions? Should the bishops not be asking the Tablet to refrain from describing itself as Catholic?

Elizabeth said...

My son, if you aspire to serve the Lord,
prepare yourself for an ordeal.
Be sincere of heart, be steadfast,
and do not be alarmed when disaster comes.
Cling to him and do not leave him,
so that you may be honoured at the end of your days.
Whatever happens to you, accept it,
and in the uncertainties of your humble state, be patient,
since gold is tested in the fire,
and chosen men in the furnace of humiliation.
Trust him and he will uphold you,
follow a straight path and hope in him.

Andrew, York said...

Perhaps you should petition to be given room to pen a response in the Tablet itself, Father.

At the risk of increasing the next issue's circulation, it would certainly improve their tone and Catholicity.

Unfortunately, it's unlikely that they would permit this...it would be too divisive.

Delia said...

Re Big Benny and the 'stable group' - if it's passed muster with the bishop, then where's the problem? I hope that Bishop Lynch has written to the Tablet - it seems to me that they have grossly undermined him in inflaming the situation.

Forza, corraggio, Father!

montymark said...

Well, isn't that rich, not to menmtion rather childish, to hide behind the breach of copyright clause, when you rightly pointed out the many errors and presumptions in that article.
I sense a knee-jerk reaction of a paper that knows it's done wrong, but does not know how to deal with it.

Congratulations, Father, on this small victory :)

Kate said...

How shameful that I forgot to mention The Tablet's cowering behind
copyright regs.,in my blog comment!

Peter said...

Dear Father

you have my support and admiration for your good work, and I have written 2 (polite though pointed) emails to the Tablet to register disapproval from the Antipodes!

God bless you

Peter
Canberra, Australia

M i g U e L said...

Your Reverence:

I SUPPORT YOU!
http://migem.blogspot.com/2009/02/this-blog-supports.html

You are in my prayers. I shall ask the Blessed Lady, under her title of N.S. de Buensuceso {Good Events} - the titular of my diocese - to intercede for you.

john said...

Dear father Finigan,
I usually don't comment on your blog, although I've been reading it for some time. I wanted to show my support and encourage you to keep on doing your work AMDG.

Greetings from Croatia!

Hilary Jane Margaret White said...

Ah yes, the standard leftist solution to opposition: crush it into silence by abusing the law.

Congratulations to the Suppository for ticking all the "stupid liberals" boxes. A clean sweep.

Gail F said...

Hello Father --

I am writing from the US, where I have been following this story via Fr. Z's blog and Rich Leonardi's blog.

I really can't see what all the fuss is about. I had to laugh when, reading the article, I saw that the author stuck the fact that you offer three other weekend masses in the ordinary form at almost the last paragraph. How can anyone LEGITIMATELY complain about this, considering that they can go to any of three other masses without even leaving your parish?

It seems to me, from an admittedly great distance, that you are doing something a great many people would find wonderful. You are doing the very opposite of dividing your parish, you are giving people VALID OPTIONS. Many, if not most, priests would not do this. Why the author finds this a sinister plot is beyond me.

And I loved the way you made your citation "compliant." Blah blah blah indeed. It's amazing to me that you are being attacked for being reasonable and accommmodating. Anyway, from this American -- GOOD SHOW!

Clare A said...

The circulation figures given for the Catholic Herald and the Tablet don't really compare evenly. The Herald is not sold outside England & Wales (though it may have some foreign subscriptions I suppose) while the Tablet is sold in Scotland and Ireland as well. If the circulation figures include copies on sale at the back of churches then I would considerably lower the actual figure for domestic readership as there are always a good number of copies unsold.

Added to this the Herald is a newspaper not a magazine, it is sold alongside and in competition with the Universe and the Catholic Times. Not all churches stock it.

A figure of 20,000 (England & Wales) for the Herald stacks up quite nicely against the purported 25,000 for the Pill (E & W, Scotland and N Ireland).

ssoldie said...

I thank God daily for shepard's like you Fr. Finigan Fr. Z and a Fr. Hoppe (88 yrs and still praying the Gregorian Rite Mass).It is so wonderful to have priest like you.Oh! that there were more.

Norman said...

Dear Fr, greetings from sunny Singapore. It is great that you have the support of your bishop. My prayers are with you and I hope this spat resolves itself. When I visit my relatives in Kent, I'll try my best to drop by your parish!

Deborah Morlani said...

Fr. Finigan be assured of my 100% support and prayers.

Why is this dissident paper being sold in Catholic parishes? And another question: why are faithful Catholics just walking by them rather than taking the pile and making a nice fire at home?

I can imagine Our Lord not being terribly happy to see such disgraceful material which scandalizes the faithful and disrespects God's teachings being present in Our Father's house.

Paul said...

Gail F wrote:
'I had to laugh when, reading the article, I saw that the author stuck the fact that you offer three other weekend masses in the ordinary form at almost the last paragraph. How can anyone LEGITIMATELY complain about this, considering that they can go to any of three other masses without even leaving your parish?'

I think this is the nub of the issue, though. The 10.30 AM mass was probably the 'high mass'. Those who prefer the Ordinary Form now either have to get up earlier or go in the evening. People get very attached to their mass times, and organize their lives around it.

Arguably, the 10.30AM on Sunday is the central mass of the sabbath, and could, theoretically have the most claim on being the least 'extraordinary'.

However, the priest and the bishop are in the best position to know what will serve the evangelization of the parish. To question their decision, after the fact, is to raise issues of obedience. To take it to the press raises the issue of pride.

Paulinus said...

The Tablet - a bunch of snivelling cowards.

They really don't get the internet, do they?

Bernadette said...

Well played, Fr Tim. It looks like the original article has now drawn even more international readers to your blog. Fantastic. Perhaps they'll do another article about you soon.

I bet your blog beats a weekly circulation of 65,000. And it's free. heh heh.

nat said...

Dear Fr Finigan
This all sounds like alarums of war. War not only against you good Father but also against our Holy Father The Pope. I fly to you side and that of HH fully armed with the Cross of Jesus and the Holy Rosary. Satan will not triumph in this matter.

Here is a copy of the email sent to The Tablet earlier.

‘The Editor
Will you please invite The Reverend Timothy Finigan Curé of Blackfen to reply to the attack made on him by Elena Curti in the current number of The Tablet.
Name (given)
Address (given)’

torchofthefaith said...

Dear Father

Regarding this latest attack on you from the Tablet over copyright rules we are just counting to 1,000,000 before we totally lose our proverbial rag!

We drove over to Liverpool to attend the Tridentine Mass on Sunday - which we do most weekends - and the priest preached about how strong the attacks are within the Church against those who love Jesus.

Of course that has been the case for some time... What is new is that the orthodox now have a voice, clearer opportunities to find and support one another, and much wider possibilities to attend Latin Masses. As that priest said in his homily - this is what has got the enemies within really howling!

Each new attack just demonstrates how 'un-liberal' these 'thinkers' really are. And each fresh wave of their daftness just adds to your own reputation as a loyal priest (with a good sense of humour!)

The number of souls who find solace on the blogs of Blackfen and Brighton are many and known only to the Lord.

God Bless and keep you Father Tim!
Alan and Angeline

Richard said...

Again, God found a way to bring good out of evil. The Tablet authoress didn't bother interviewing you before she submitted her copy, nor did anyone else above her insist that you be given an opportunity to respond to the criticisms of the malcontents, as good journalistic standards demand, so now the whole world knows how dishonest and unchristian the publication really is, from top to bottom. I doubt that that was the result they had hoped for. Serves them right.
I encourage you, Fr. Tim, to pay a surprise visit to Ms Curti in her cubicle, to let her meet you face to face and (1) see that you're not such a bad guy after all and (2) to ask her why she didn't give you as ring herself and (3) invite her to come to one of your Masses and mingle with the People of God afterward and (4) let her know when confessions are scheduled. Be sure to bring a video camera so we can all enjoy seeing her fall off her chair.
Now that the wind has changed direction, it's good that the modernists know how it feels to be treated the way we have been for the past 40+ years.

The Guild Master said...

The Tablet claims a circulation, apparently, of around (i.e. probably slightly fewer than) 25,000 readers. Next question: how many of them are actually Catholic?

Sue Sims said...

Question:

If I take the Tablet on sale at the back of our church without paying and put it through our new, electric (yay!) shredder, is it theft?

But if I pay for it and then shred it, am I guilty of supporting the Tablet - which must be at least a venial sin?

fidelisjoff said...

Father my good Catholic wife suggests that your blog may be having an effect of exorcism. Hence the hysterical reaction by the Tablet in seeking to undermine you. I hope Elena Curti seeks a good priest like you for a good confession this lent. She needs our prayers and your continued faithful blogging.

Peter said...

Another Peter here, not Australia but closer to Mont St Michel.

Answer to Deborah Morlani
Ofton there is a box to pay for the magazines and papers. So if the Tablet were removed without payment the parish would presumably end up paying for the unread copies.
The Marymagdalene blog (there is a link already) has a post about Catholic Charitable Trusts (19 February) which seems relevant.
See also the Bishop of Lancaster and his trouble with Catholic Caring Services.
I suspect that there will be no help from civil authorities until the Archbishop of Westminster takes a clear line. He has preserved the Westminster Catholic Childrens Service but his actions on the Hospital of St John and St Elizabeth are harder to follow.

All topics well covered on this blog. Well done Fr Tim.

George said...

Fr Tim - you crack me up with that look on your face in the photo! Did Fr. Ray catch you off guard with the camera or is that 'apoplectic-fit look' a put-up job?

KathleenWorth said...

I often wonder when I hear or read comments/articles what Jesus would have said.
Father, I think He would have supported you by carrying you on his shoulder so there were only one set of front prints.
So that those who try to bring you down cannot reach you and when those who throw falsehoods at you He will have blocked the sound from your ears and when they twist meanings and truths He will give you the gifts of the Holy Ghost - wisdom, understanding, counsel, fortitude, knowledge, piety and fear of the Lord.
I only wish I had a Priest such as you at my parish.
God Bless and know you are supported by those who know you and those like me who admire you

Carolina Cannonball said...

If liberals hate you than you must be right on track. You have my prayers and full support! The Tablet is a rag that no one of importance reads nor gives any credence too.

Fr Tim Finigan said...

Richard - to be fair, we did arrange a phone call and spoke for half an hour. But there is a Tablet policy on the Benedictine reform which colours any article written in relation to it.

George - it was posed. I was trying hard not to laugh.

dolly said...

All this publicity you seem to have been getting recently can only increase your odds on Westminster, although I'm not sure if we can read anything into that article on the Italian blog!

Didn't someone once say: "the only thing worse that being talked about is not to be talked about"?

I'm thinking that I must visit again soon and ensure that I take in the EF mass on Sunday; I wonder how many others may share this view, and if this has boosted attendance?

Chin up, old chap!

GOR said...

By attempting to be censorious The Tablet has just ensured that their faux pas (to put it charitably...) gets more publicity - and you Father, get more support.

Good for you!

Obviously they have not heard of the maxim: "When in a hole, stop digging!"

ghp said...

Photo caption:

"Fr. Finigan inspecting his new budgie cage liner."

--Guy Power

gemoftheocean said...

Geez, Fr. Tim. I've come to the conclusion, that you really shouldn't pick on the Tablet anymore. IT's like taking advantage of senile hippies who've finally had all the acid kick in.

at some point you just have to call emergency services and hope the patient doesn't get permanent brain damage...but if I were a betting woman, I'd say they're too far gone.

What a pack of *total* losers.

Fr Julian Green said...

A student at the University recently said to me, speaking about the Tablet: "I'm a football fan and I support Aston Villa. If I buy a magazine for fans of Aston Villa and all it does is slag off my team, then I don't want to read it." The readership of the Tablet are those Catholics who wish they weren't (those who if, by accident of birth and culture, they had been born outside it would never choose to become a member of it) and those non-Catholics who delight in its critical approach to Catholicism and its liberal stance. Basically, the Tablet always has been, is and always will be crap. Well done to Bishop O'Donaghue who, in Fit for Mission - Parish, recommends his priests not to stock literature that is critical of the Church. I can only presume this means the Tablet et al.

Ragamuffin said...

Forgive an American unfamiliar with all the English magazines and newspapers, but what exactly is The Tablet? Is it just one of the various tabloids, a purportedly serious newspaper or is it something specific regarding all matters Catholic in the UK?

Fr Tim Finigan said...

Ragamuffin - The Tablet is an a4 sized weekly newspaper. It has been through various changes; at one time ultramontane, at another a serious vehicle for the likes of Christopher Dawson to write on matters of interest. After Humanae Vitae, it tended to focus dissent from papal teaching whilst publishing articles from people of varying views. I think it hopes to be the voice of intellectual Catholicism in England but has gone rapidly downhill. See thisarticle in Faith Magazine for some analysis in relation to its treatment of Pope John Paul II.

The Tablet is vigorously opposed to Pope Benedict's project to reform the Liturgy of the Church and my parish has been caught in its agenda.

Slidcup said...

The Catholic Church has a very large silent majority suffering the ridicule of the media that comes from right wing reactionary stick in the muds like you.

Get off your high horse Finigan and "get down with the brothers"
You need to take some time out (preferably out of Blackfen) to re-assess your role in a Parish in the 21st not the 16th Century.

Bring back John Paul (George & Ringo too - the 60's were great)

Fr Tim Finigan said...

Slidcup - thank you for that. Just a small point: the 60's you refer to were in the 20th century.

Jeff Pinyan (japhy) said...

Father, I recently printed and read "Sacred and Great", and I would like to thank you very much for such an excellent essay. (I was most intrigued by your brief exposition on the mistranslation of Justin Martyr's description of the presider "giving thanks, according to his ability"!)

It's a wonderful statement of orthodoxy in a turbulent time. May God keep blessing you!

mundabor said...

"Can someone tell me - why is this paper on sale at the Cathedral?"

Dear Father, I think the question is not why the Tablet is on sale there, but what conclusion one may draw from the fact that the Archbishop allows it to be sold.

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