One social problem for women in one part of the world has been that when they wanted to have a second baby, they have been forced to have an abortion. Other women in the same country have been subjected to forced sterilisation. The USA declined to continue funding programmes in countries which did this sort of thing. In 2001, the EU stepped in to make up the 33 million shortfall.
In 2008, Amendment 134 to the EU budget was proposed:
Community assistance shall not be given to any government or organisation or programme which supports or participates in the managment of a programme which involves human rights abuses such as coercive abortion or involuntary sterilization or infanticide.Sadly, the amendment failed by 335 votes to 222. Twenty British MEPs helped to vote the amendment down. Among them was none other than Stephen Hughes MEP.
20 comments:
Why can't people so ''appalled'' at pious and apostolic teaching do the honest thing and leave the Church? We'd be much better off without them...don't the Scriptures in fact say ''expel the wicked from amongst you''? It would take the Holy Father to stand up one day and proclaim ''this is for politicians, readers of the Tablet and other riff raff who dare in their insolence to question Church teaching: if you don't like it, go off and join any number of Protestant sects where there are plenty more like you...''
I'm so sick to death of all this...
So when is his Bishop going to act against this public scandal by a public figure who claims to be in communion with the Church?
Real Animal Farm stuff.
Obviously Mr Hughes is a catholic of the 'cafeteria' variety. Sadly far too many of them around, especially those in Politics (with some notable exceptions of course) and that is ALL down to poor formation over the last 40-some years. Something is desperately lacking in our Family, School and Parish Life and we must stem this tide of being ignorant of what it is we actually believe as Catholics.
Our Bishops and Priests in union with our schools must preach the TRUTH. Stop the rot NOW! Don't let's sell future generations short.
I am sick and tired of seeing our Glorious Faith reduced to nothing more than another GCSE subject in the schools, Catholic parents who behave as badly as anything you might see on the celebrity/soap TV shows and Bishops and Clergy who fail to stand up for the Truth and turn a blind eye rather than practice 'fraternal correction' when it is so desperately required.
Papa Benedict has given our E & W Shepherds a 'wake up' call, and thankfully his words have put the UK government onto their collective 'backfoot' (for now at least) as they beat a hasty retreat from the worst excesses of their nutty Equality Bill which was narrowly defeated. Catholics must know and fully understand their Faith, what it is and why they believe in it - becoming more able to articulate to others the tenets and Truth of what Jesus our Saviour and our Lord achieved and established while on Earth.
Let's all rise to the challenge and return England to Mary. England is Her Dowry and She is our Heavenly Queen and Mother.
Ave Maria, gratia plena .....
I have never voted Labour in a European Election. Stephen Hughes is the reason why. And since he now appears in the media specifically as a Catholic, has his first marriage ever been annulled? I only ask.
Dear Father Finigan
Stephen Hughes, Member of the European Parliament for the North East of England, should look to his own constituency where the BNP also have an MEP.
vesper, there is no BNP MEP in the North East. In fact, the claim that it is somehow a voice of "the white working class", making it the only working-class Fascist movement in history, is very much belied by, among other things, its failure to make any progress at all here.
Father:
I am not trying to be awkward, nor too judgmental (though many should say I ought to be), but what canonical solution is there to this? Can this MEP be censured, or something or other...? (I hate to say excommunicate)
Dear Mr Hughes
I understand that Amendment 134 proposed to the 2008 EU Budget read as follows:
"Community assistance shall not be given to any government or organisation or programme which supports or participates in the managment of a programme which involves human rights abuses such as coercive abortion or involuntary sterilization or infanticide"
I am given to understand that you voted against it. Could I ask:
1. Has the proposed amendment been accurately reported?
2. Have you, by your vote, indicated that you are in favour of infanticide, of forcing women to be sterilised and of forcing them to have abortions?
3. Was the amendment in line with the European Convention on Human Rights?
4. Are you aware of the parallels between the practices the Amendment would have sought to remove support from, and the policies of the National Socialist and Workers' Party of Germany (Nazis, for short) to forcibly abort andor sterilise women from the 'untermensch' races, such as Jews, Gypsies, Slavs and Blacks?
5. If you are, how on Earth did you bring yourself to vote, in effect, in favour of such policies?
With best wishes
David Lindsay - you should do more than not vote; you should get involved and reclaim your local Labour Party. it was built by Trade Unionists, yes, but would have been nowhere without Methodists, Catholics, non-conformists such as Quakers and Baptists, and otehrs committed to the concept of moral, communal self-help.
Time to get rid of the Fabian, authoritarian, eugenicist tendency and reclaim the party that once - and should again - represent the best interests of humanity, not is basest instincts.
Well Patricius at one time the Chruch had some self respect and used to actually excommunicate such people.
Why not send an email to his Bishop making him aware of what one of his parishioners is up to?
Maybe among your many readers is a canon lawyer who could advise on this case, specifically whether Hughes's vote against Amendment 134 to the EU Budget in 2008, constituted material co-operation in abortion?
Dear Father Finigan
Please send my apologies to David Lindsay, and the good people of the North East regarding the BNP.
I was in Erith library with only 30seconds left on my computer when I came across this post and rushed off my incorrect comment.
Of course Nick Griffin, the BNP leader is an MEP for the North West, and Andrew Brons is the BNP MEP for Yorkshire and Humberside.
That indicates that there is a serious threat from the far right in the North of England.
Stephen Hughes, Member of the European Parliament for the North East of England, and the European Parliament as a whole, do therefore have odorous neo-Nazi colleagues to sort out in their own house.
As you know I have been fighting against the BNP leadership since I discovered that they were being allowed to use the Old Addeyans FC/Densitron International plc development's clubhouse for their malevolent 'Planning for Real' meetings in the 1990/91 football season.
Hitler stole the 'Olympic Dream' at the Berlin Games and as we as contemporary Europeans must ensure that history does not repeat itself in 2012. The SHADOW of the Third Reich,which lasted just 12 years, still generates it's evil malevolent influence:
'Pinko Duke
Your time is precious the clampdown is coming.
SS 33 The Watcher '
The above calling card was sent to my family home in Our Lady of the Rosary's Parish of Blackfen, Sidcup in the London Borough of Bexley prior to my individual FARE (Football Against Racism in Europe) evidence, that I gave alongside Yre (Youth against racism in Europe), at the Crayford Inquiry in 1995.
I had already given a copy of the critical anti-Nazi Regina v Hobson 1991 trial manuscript to the London Borough of Bexley's Strategic Planning and Development Department at Wyncham House in Sidcup. The subject in focus at the Crayford Inquiry was the BNP Bookshop/HQ in Welling. The Oklahoma bomb exploded to coincide with the case for the defence and as an evil reminder of the international networking nature of the NAZI BEAST.
When I questioned the NF leader and BNP founder John Tyndall (succeeded as Chairman by Nick Griffin in September 1999) at the Crayford Inquiry about his spurious Holocaust denials and wicked lies he completely folded under my examination and the NF/BNP HQ in Welling was subsequently closed down by the Government.
I was also the only arrest at the Crayford Inquiry in April 1995, after I had given my FARE (Football Against Racism in Europe) witness against the Welling NF/BNP "bookshop/HQ", I deliberately spat on the floor in front of the table at which the NF/BNP leadership pairing of John Tyndall and Richard Edmonds were seated. The Police later let me out the back door of Bexleyheath Police Station without charge, but the local press reported the arrest as if charges had been pursued. If charges had been pursued in Bexley Magistrates Court, the suppressed case details of Regina v Hobson 1991 would have come to light.
At the next General Election former Met Police Inspector Michael Barnbrook, the malevolent neo-Nazi BNP Police Spokesman, will be standing as a candidate for MP in Father Finigan's Our Lady of the Rosary Parish, Blackfen, which is in the late Sir Edward Heath's Old Bexley & Sidcup constituency. Nick Griffin MEP, the BNP's leader will be standing as a candidate for MP in the Barking & Dagenham constituency here in London at the next General Election.
Our Lady of the Rosary pray for us in BNP leader Nick Griffin MEP's EU/GLA/LDA/ODA NEO-NAZI DEVELOPMENT TIMES Amen
Yours sincerely
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More From: www.spreadtheword.org.uk 's cityofsharedstories YouTube - Roy Hobson's anti-Nazi performance in Barking & Dagenham 2007 (From Dark to Light Too)
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Kate;
I think probably not.
Penal Laws such as c.1398 (the canon against abortion) must be interpreted strictly (c.18).
I agree that c.1329.2 effectively defines 'material co-operation' in the words 'if without their assistance the delict would not have been committed' : but as the EU issue is one of not refusing to provide support to organisations which may procure abortions, rather than of specifically providing express support for organisations which WILL procure abortions, I think that the stringency expressed by c.18 makes it all too remote to be applicable.
However . . . there might be scope for some 'just penalty' in relation to his recent remarks, under c.1369 or c.1373.
c.1369
'A person who in a public show or speech, in published writing, or in other uses of the instruments of social communication utters blasphemy, gravely injures good morals, expresses insults, or excites hatred or contempt against religion or the Church is to be punished with a just penalty.'
c.1373
'A person who publicly incites among subjects animosities or hatreds against the Apostolic See or an ordinary because of some act of power or ecclesiastical ministry or provokes subjects to disobey them is to be punished by an interdict or other just penalties.'
Fr Thomas Green, the distinguished American Canonist, suggests that c.1369 is probably a little too wide-ranging to be of much practical effect; but c.1373 is clearly much more directly applicable in any event . . .
We can but hope.
Mark M - a future traddy seminarian that refuses to use the word "excommunicate"?!
Ottaviani: No, I'm not refusing; I'm just wary of outright condemnation. I'd like the canon lawyer's perspective first. Then I'll be happy to shout it from the rooftops!
Thanks, Dominic Mary, canon law isn't easy to understand but your comment has helped! We can indeed live in hope!
Patricius, you are so right. Why don't these 'know alls' just start a sect of their own and leave the Catholic Church alone until they are prepared to listen and live by the truth.
I like David Lindsay very much and agree with ruarjim that his place is in the Labour Party. I understand that a certain political journalist also has a good opinion of him.
To everyone else I say that Stephen Hughes' voting against amemdment 134 has outraged me more than you can perhaps imagine.
My maternal family is Eastern European. Like the Chinese the Eastern Europeans suffered Stalinist oppression. The Chinese people's cause is my cause too.
My people in China are oppressed by this evil government and its one-child policy. My people are having their children untimely ripp'd from their wombs. My people are experiencing the agony of their children being kidnapped because there aren't enough children in China and so a trade in human flesh develops
We must never forget our Chinese brothers and sisters. We must never forget the martyrs of Tianenmen Square and we must never ever forget Chen Guangcheng, that wonderful man who campaigned against the one-child policy and has been subjected to a show trial and imprisonment for his efforts.
And let us also remember in our prayers Kathy Sinnott, who tragically lost her son some months ago. Kathy Sinnott is one of the best friends the Chinese people have ever had: she tabled Amendement 134 and did everything in her power to ensure its success.
History will record that Kathy Sinnott defended Chinese people against their oppressors. It will not be so kind to Stephen Hughes.
Dear Father Finigan
I Googled Kathy Sinnett and discovered this interesting video titled 'Expense Allowance Abuse by MEPs' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnMtc_QJ4-E&feature=player_embedded
It made me think of the disgraced former Conservative leader of Bexley Council and deputy London mayor, Ian Clement, who has recently been seen wearing a community payback vest, after being given a suspended jail sentence for fiddling his City Hall expenses.
I would suggest a poacher turned gamekeeper approach, and appoint Mr Clement as the Expenses Czar to oversee MEP's claims at the European Parliament.
PAPA RATZI ORA PRO NOBIS!
Our Lady of the Rosary pray for us!
@ Father Finigan
Red Maria asked that we 'also remember in our prayers Kathy Sinnott'
I would ask for Ireland's woodlands to be included in everyones prayers too.
i.e Dear Friends,
Please take the Woodland League document I am forwarding below about
the threat of the loss of over a million acres of our national lands
very seriously. Coilte was
created to manage our forests, woodlands and parks for us the people
of Ireland. Over the
years it have increasingly treated this resource as its own. It
seems that Coilte
are now with government complicity putting the land up for sale. If
this sale goes ahead it will join
the give away of our fishing waters, the sale for pittance of our gas
and oil resources, etc. in further robbing us of our resources. Like
in the days of the "plantation", we the people of Ireland will find
ourselves locked out.
We cannot allow this to happen. Our Constitution is on our side in
this. We need to dust it off and use it. Though the party that has
ignored the
Constitution and asset stripped us in the past has been dethroned, the
manifestos
of the parties that have just been put in power state that one of the
parties wants to drastically alter the constitution and the other
wants to get rid of it altogether. Both parties have made promises
about job creation, growth, etc and one at least states clearly that
it will fund these by selling off "non essential" state
assets.
We have got to make it clear that the forests of Ireland our ours and
our children's children's children. They are an essential asset and
our stewardship of them is
protected by our Constitution, which in turn we must protect. Rather than give
away more we must continue to work towards the day when we recover our
resources, like our fishing waters, gas and oil, that we have lost and which are
vital to true recovery.
Please do what you can, sign the petition below, spread the word, work
and pray. Please God we will retain our forests and recover Ireland's
other God given natural resources.
Kathy Sinnott
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