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Tuesday, 5 October 2010

Things I don’t know and things I do


Don't knows
Does human activity cause global warming?
I have read some of the scientific literature and I'm inclined to think that it probably does. But I don’t know for sure.

Should the Government make markets a little more free, or increase regulation and taxation a little?
Not my field, I’m afraid. I don’t know.

Should we all use low energy light bulbs to save the planet?
We don’t have much choice now and I’m happy enough with the softer light they give. But on the question of whether they contribute much to saving the planet, I just don’t know.

Do knows
Will the Church one day say that we can be racist?
No. Although it has not been formally defined, the Church’s condemnation of racism is part of the universal ordinary magisterium and therefore infallible teaching. So we know for sure that the Church can never say that.

Will the Church one day say it's OK to be in a homosexual civil partnership?
No. Although it has not been formally defined, the Church’s condemnation of homosexual civil partnerships is part of the universal ordinary magisterium and therefore infallible teaching. So we know for sure that the Church can never say that.

Will the Church one day permit the ordination of women?
No. Although it has not been formally defined, the Church says that it is definitively to be held that she has no power to ordain women, and that this is part of the deposit of faith. This teaching is not from an extraordinary exercise of papal infallibility but is part of the universal ordinary magisterium and therefore infallible teaching. So we know for sure that the Church can never ordain women.

10 comments:

shadowlands said...

Women, who want/desire, to be ordained, have got their victimhood hoodwinked. Because that is what priesthood is, to me. A victim offering himself to Christ, to do as Christ wills. And ambition rarely involves sacrifice, well make that self-sacrifice, it may involve some sort of sacrifice, truth sacrifice, others sacrifice, but not self sacrifice.

If the women who want to be priests, or sense God calling them to be priests, focused on Our Lady, they would feel so affirmed and indeed exclusively so, they are missing out on their ultimate goal as women, for a watered down version of what they are not.

I wouldn't swap my little space that Our Lady has given me, and I don't feel invisible, to God.

I have one of the biggest loudest egos going, it sought acceptance in all the wrong places. All the time, Our Lady was waiting. She makes us into spiritual Mothers, of priests. That's the deal. Men can't be spiritual mothers, and women can't be priests. And neither of us can be either of us, without the other, but it's late, and I'm sounding too Irish for the average reader to understand now. Sorry Father.

JARay said...

An interesting post from you Father.
I disagree about anthropogenically caused climate change. I feel that those who claim man as the cause of climate change are simply trying to form a substitute religion.
I have succumbed to driving a diesel car but only because of its efficiency and I have put solar panels on the roof for electricity generation, but only because my electricity bills are now much less. I have always had solar hot water ever since my house was built. Again it was a question of economics not climate change which prompted that. In over 35 years about 95% of my hot water has come free from the sun. It is only after two or three days without some sun that I have had to boost the water heating by electrical power and that is not very often. We usually get sunshine almost every day here in Western Australia. My late brother used to say that we never get weather here, it's always the same, sun and blue sky.

Rich Leonardi said...

Should the Government make markets a little more free, or increase regulation and taxation a little?

I suppose it hangs on what one means by "a little." Centesimus Annus indicates a preference for market economies, and subsidiarity points in this direction.

As for the infallibility of the Church's teaching on the impossibility of women's ordination, the Congregation for Doctrine of the Faith released
a statement on 18 November 1996 saying the Church's traditional ban on women priest "requires definitive assent ... (and) has been set forth infallibly by the ordinary and universal Magisterium."

gemoftheocean said...

Things I know:
The earth has been in a warming and cooling cycle for billions of years. Dinosaurs didn't cause the trend any more than humans do now.
I'm inclined to believe the whole "climate change" movement to force people to bend to the "elite's" carbon exchange scam is a huge pile of crap. Sucker bait for the gullible or easily cowed by the nanny state, who personally have set it up to con billions into their own pockets from the masses.

Remind me where central planning of the economy has been excellent? Oh. Short list. ZERO.

Should we all use low energy light bulbs to save the planet?

Another sucker bet. Enjoy cleaning the toxic mess when you break on of the twisty things.
Enjoy going blind. See what happens when you put one of those suckers in the landfill.

Women priests? No. Maybe if there was red cream soda and fritos around when he did the first consecration, he'd have used those elements. Maybe if women weren't treated like such dirt 2000 years ago, he'd have ordained them. Am I betting the farm on form/substance? No.

dillydaydream said...

Re Civil Partnerships

A civil partnership per se is simply the legal ratification of an intention by people to create mutual quasi-contractual (or trustee/beneficiary type) obligations - e.g. giving one partner the right to inherit the other's estate should he/she die intestate; or to acquire assets on the dissolution of the contract, or to take advantage of tax loopholes. In other words - it creates legal rights and obligations.

Elderly siblings have even tried to form civil partnerships to avoid inheritance tax,(just as in some European countries one can formally adopt an adult) but it is only a matter of time and a friendly judge for them to succeed.

So the Church could recognise the de facto existence of the "legal" relationship as they do with civil "marriages" between male and female - but of course would never never never treat it as an even remotely acceptable for it to masquerade as a marriage.

It would never even qualify as a "natural" marriage under Church Law (such as a Protestant male-Protestant-female marriage, which would (I think) require a formal annulment before one partner could marry a Catholic. An interesting point would arise from the "natural marriage" doctrine if the Anglican Communion decided that same-sex partnerships could "marry" in their Churches - but it's probably near the bottom of a list about worrying precedents being set in that particular faith community.

Matthew the Curmudgeon said...

Here's a hypothetical for you (and don't say you don't speak hypothetical!):
If the Pope and the Bishops were in a meeting and Christ appeared to then and said they needed to make a few changes that would be (use your imagination on the doctrines and dogmas I'm referring to), would they obey Him?

Fr Tim Finigan said...

Interesting point, Matthew and it really boils down to the challenge that Pope Benedict threw down at Regensburg: is God bound by his own word?

epsilon said...

shadowlands - carry on! There's nothing wrong with sounding Irish:)
"Men can't be spiritual mothers, and women can't be priests. And neither of us can be either" - that's sound, girl!

Dillydaydreams - I agree with what I think you're saying. I can't imagine the Church would oppose 'civil' partnerships if they were solely for the purpose of financial security for a.significant.other (e.g. sibling, other relative, friend) if one were to die before them?

Auricularis said...

Pity that Our Archbishop cannot articulate the faith in such a way.

Lamentably Sane said...

Oof! I was wondering when someone was going to get the point. None too subtle, but nice one, Auricularis!

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