1. To announce that the SSPX have responded to the doctrinal preamble and that it only remains for the CDF and the Pope to consider it. And the Vatican Press Officer, Fr Lombardi, admits that it is encouraging and that there is a desire to reach a conclusion. (Texts found most easily at Rorate Caeli as well as other posts with analysis.)
2. To issue a Doctrinal Assessment of the US Leadership Conference of Women Religious along with a statement from Cardinal Levada.
3. To announce a Vatican Widget in honour of the anniversary of the election of Pope Benedict.
OK, so n.3. was not as important as 1. and 2., but I have sent off for the widget eagerly in order to take up the promise that, as the English version of the communiqué states: "it will be possible to export all the principal novelties."
n.1. is very encouraging and certainly is a good reason to set aside some of my Easter money for a bottle of champagne to celebrate when things do come to a conclusion.
n.2. is of course sad in a way. Omar Gutierrez admonishes us: Let’s Be Sober About the LCWR Assessment and I suppose it would be unseemly to get plastered and end up watching EWTN's coverage and chanting "You're not singing anymore!" So we had better not do that. Still, I think that many faithful Catholics will rejoice that the Holy See is taking practical steps to implement advice that the Holy Father gave to the Bishops of England and Wales on the last ad limina visit:
In a social milieu that encourages the expression of a variety of opinions on every question that arises, it is important to recognize dissent for what it is, and not to mistake it for a mature contribution to a balanced and wide-ranging debate. It is the truth revealed through Scripture and Tradition and articulated by the Church’s Magisterium that sets us free.As to champagne, Fr Z is sticking with the one that featured for the announcement of Summorum Pontificum. I'm minded to branch out and get some Bolly.
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'Bolly' is far superior to the much overrated NV Cliquot IMHO, (La Grande Dame is another matter, and price). However, do try buying some 'White Foil' Pol Roger. Let it rest a week, then chill for three hours and enjoy - IMO it beats NV 'Bolly'.
As an amateur in such matters, I am most grateful for your advice - shall google 'White Foil' Pol Roger.
"...and I suppose it would be unseemly to get plastered and end up watching EWTN's coverage and chanting "You're not singing anymore!"
This is so funny that I've almost forgiven you for passing within 200 yards of my office twice in the last two days without 'making your number', as we Naval types say.
My hope and prayer is that these women will repent and be converted, however too many of them are so far gone, truly believing they are prophets, as they have declared themselves for years at LCWR annual conferences. Like the Pharisees, they have created their own legal fictions like, "responsible dissent," to assuage their consciences.
However, I can't fully blame the sisters. They were encouraged by many bishops and priests over the last 45 years to continue down this path. And rather than disciplined or taken to task, they were elevated to important positions within diocesan offices, hospitals, universities, seminaries and so forth. I find it hard to believe the heads of the LCWR are "shocked" at this news, but perhaps they truly are, after decades of being rewarded for disobedience.
Nonetheless, it will be an interesting showdown. Who will be left standing when this is all said and done?
-Ryan J Hilliard
SSPX WEBSITE: ' I believe in three baptisms for the forgiveness of sins’ ?
So when the SSPX bishops and priests recite their Oath of Fidelity to Pope Benedict XVI and they are asked to say aloud the Nicene Constantinople Creed, which we pray in Church, they will say 'I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sin’ and mean ‘I believe in three baptism for the forgiveness of sin, the baptism of water, desire and blood’.
Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer on the SSPX website,THE THREE BAPTISMS writes that Fr.Leonard Feeney in his 1952 book, Bread of Life, states on p.25:
It is now: Baptism of Water, or damnation! If you do not desire that Water, you cannot be justified. And if you do not get it, you cannot be saved."
Yes without the baptism of water no one on earth can be saved and we cannot give anyone the baptism of desire or judge who has a genuine baptism of blood (martyrdom). So obviously any non Catholic you meet needs the baptism of water for salvation.So Fr.Leonard Feeney was correct.
The baptism of desire can never ever be an exception to the need for the baptism of water. Since we cannot know any such case.
So when the SSPX bishops and priests take their oarth of fidelity to Pope Benedict XVI and they are asked to recite the Nicene Constantinople Creed they will say 'I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sin’ and mean ‘I believe in three baptism for the forgiveness of sin, the baptism of water, desire and blood’.
CONTINUED
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/04/sspx-website-i-believe-in-three.html
The Church has held since the first centuries that someone who desires baptism will be save. The Church has also taught that this desire may be implicit.
But Baptism of desire is not sacramental baptism and therefore a person who desires baptism can and should be baptised with water when there is the opportunity.
Fr.Tim Finigan
The Church has held since the first centuries that someone who desires baptism will be save. The Church has also taught that this desire may be implicit.
Lionel: I agree with you.
Would you agree that we do not know any case on earth of someone in 2012, having the baptism of desire and being saved?
These cases are known only in Heaven ?
Fr.Tim Finigan
But Baptism of desire is not sacramental baptism and therefore a person who desires baptism can and should be baptised with water when there is the opportunity.
Lionel: Yes. We agree.
So would you say every one on earth with no KNOWN EXCEPTIONS needs the baptism of water and Catholic Faith for salvation ? (AG 7) ?
In Christ
Lionel
'Oi! Vatican! Are you 'aving a larf?'
Is that the way to answer the Holy See?
I reckon you have ruined your chances of getting a mitre!
Cardinal Luiz Ladaria, Bishop Charles Morerod O.P Oath of Fidelity: to dissent
Profession of Faith allows for dissent on ecclesiology and baptism.
Cardinal Luiz Ladaria S.J the Secretary of the Vatican Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith has been the President of the International Theological Commission (ITC), Vatican. Bishop Charles Morerod O.P has been the Secretary of the ITC.
They have had published two papers which are available on the ITC website. In these two theological papers they have written that the Catholic Church no more teaches exclusive salvation. Since there can be those saved in invincible ignorance (LG 16) etc. So there are known exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
So when they made their Profession of Faith and took an Oath of Fidelty they recited the Nicene Constantinople Creed in which we pray ‘I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sin’. However they really meant that not every one on earth needs the baptism of water for salvation. There could be known people saved in invincible ignorance etc. So in actuality there is not one baptism of water for the forgiveness of sin. There are known exceptions in the present times.
There understanding of the Church is also different, even though in the Profession of Faith they said ‘ I believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.’(1)
There understanding of Church is based on the false assumption that we know cases of non Catholics saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire and so Vatican Council II (LG 16) and Pope Pius XII's Letter of the Holy Office 1949 have mentioned known exceptions to exclusive salvation in only the Catholic Church.(2)
There understanding of Church (ecclesiology) is that every one on earth with no exception does not need to enter the Church for salvation. The holy catholic and apostolic Church is not necessary for the salvation of all people with no exception.
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http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2012/04/cardinal-luiz-ladaria-bishop-charles.html#links
Perhaps the best modern magisterial treatment of this subject is Dominus Iesus.
C'est la vie Father.
I will often be working away, and come back to find the fridge empty of pork pies! Sometimes the little fingers that took the last one (owned by a 'Mr Nobody') even leaves the wrapper behind, just to rub salt in the wound.
We must offer up these little annoyances: they are a test of Faith.
P.S. I enjoyed your post immensely!
First, thanks for "...fails to take account of my..." in the title. That's funny (immediate and persistent reaction). Also a reflection of my native culture's scrambled priorities.
About 'baptism of desire:' that, and related ideas, allow me to hope. Which I don't mind, since two of our six children died before my wife and I could get them baptized. It's not the way we planned things, but that's what happened.
I should have thought Father that, given your Roman experience, you would eschew French champagne in favor of a good Italian Spumante – Asti or Prosecco!
Father, maybe you should get away more often, so that things will speed up in the Vatican : ) !
Fr Tim Finigan
Would you know any adult on earth saved with the baptism of desire or in invincible ignorance ?
So would you say every one on earth with no KNOWN EXCEPTIONS needs the baptism of water and Catholic Faith for salvation in 2012 ?
We do not have the certainty of faith concerning our own salvation, though we should not doubt the mercy of God. (cf. Council of Trent Decree on Justification.)
So we can't say of an individual "he is certainly saved".
But it is reasonable to think that there are many people in the world today who are in invincible ignorance.
Anyone who is not in that state does need baptism of water for salvation unless they die desiring Baptism at least implicitly.
We do not have the certainty of faith concerning our own salvation, though we should not doubt the mercy of God. (cf. Council of Trent Decree on Justification.)
So we can't say of an individual "he is certainly saved".
But it is reasonable to think that there are many people in the world today who are in invincible ignorance.
Anyone who is not in that state does need baptism of water for salvation unless they die desiring Baptism at least implicitly.
Lionel:
Yes, we agree here. There is the possibility of a non Catholic saved in invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire.We accept this is as a possibility, of course.
Would you know any adult on earth saved with the baptism of desire or in invincible ignorance ? I do not.
Would Mariana ,Gor,Brian or any one else in 2012 know ?
Lionel - We cannot have certainty about a particular individual's salvation unless the Church canonised someone, but it is possible for an individual to be saved if he is in invincible ignorance.
I think we have rather done this topic now.
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