Therefore every scribe who has been trained for the kingdom of heaven is like a householder who brings out of his treasure what is new and what is old.
I must say something rather critical and I hope it will be heard. I do not know the SSPX in France or their relationship with Rome but having conversed with some in this country I would say that a great deal of talking has to be done. Whereas Rome has been negligent the amount of criticism it receives from SSPX and their refusal to acdept any advances in teaching, eg, Theology of the Body, their hysterical criticisms of EWTN and World YOuth DAy show them at the moment as people who not only refuse to acknowledg anything good from Rome but rather as very proud people who refuse to listen. Again this is what I have found from a small number of them, but I am open to correction.
I agree. And yet so many people are quite uncomfortable with the idea of their return. Quite happy not to raise a finger to that end. You'd be surprised.
John - I agree that there are problems. But in the end, I believe that reconciliation would bring great benefits both to us and to the SSPX. I pray for a good and just solution.
They have built and immediately, consecrated the Church. So the church is clear of debt. That is remarkable in these days of global fiscal hardship and crisis. Clearly the good God is on their side as they are plainly on His. Yes Father, we need the FSSPX on the barque of Peter. We can all help by joining their Rosary Crusade for the removal of the excommunications. Let us storm the Throne of Grace with our rosaries for a good resolution.
John Kearney - if you think the "World Woodstock Day" is a force for good, then you should go and see what happens there. I can't bring myself to think of how many sacrileges a large scale event would practically guarantee. Plus, it is an undeniable fact that most of boys go to such events to meet girls, get drunk and "have a good time".
The fact that the Stations of the Cross had to be altered (again!) this year, at the request of the Jews, would send the message to the SSPX that Rome is willing to compromise to be all things to all men.
And I don't need to go into how "Theology of the Body" is a massive departure from the traditional Catholic theology on sex and marriage. This article from the Remnant Newspaper will suffice.
Wow -- new churches that actually look like *churches* rather than bingo halls or shopping centres! Why can't *we* build new churches that look holy and sacred places of worship?...
The "advances in teaching" you list have really got nothing to do with Rome - theology of the body was very much a Papa Wojtyla subject; EWTN is based in America last time I checked; and World Youth Day is organised by the local organisers (and if you don't realise the dangers associated with WYD then you need to check out Christopher Ferrara's article. The SSPX have rejoiced over the Motu Proprio on the Mass, so let's not build straw men in this serious situation.
I don't think everything is perfect at the WYD events but there are also some very good things. Just as in the pilgrimages going back over centuries there would be some who sinned during the Pilgrimage but It doesn't vitiate all the good that happens. I don't think anyone is in a position to say "as an undeniable fact" that "most boys" go for sinful purposes.
It was rash of me to say that line - but I certainly stand by the fact, that the occasion for sin is greater in WYD than, say, a Chartres Pilgrimage - where there is a modest dress code to be adhered to, when assisting at mass.
I cannot see however, what good could come out of the liturgically abuse filled masses that are celebrated, not to mention the doctrinal deviations that are spread there (No - I am not talking about "Catholics" For Choice giving your son or daughter a condom to use. I have heard that in WYD in Denver, a woman played the part of Our Lord!).
Better time would be spent sending your children to Chartres or the traditional family weekend retreats organised by the St. Catherine's Trust.
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I must say something rather critical and I hope it will be heard. I do not know the SSPX in France or their relationship with Rome but having conversed with some in this country I would say that a great deal of talking has to be done. Whereas Rome has been negligent the amount of criticism it receives from SSPX and their refusal to acdept any advances in teaching, eg, Theology of the Body, their hysterical criticisms of EWTN and World YOuth DAy show them at the moment as people who not only refuse to acknowledg anything good from Rome but rather as very proud people who refuse to listen. Again this is what I have found from a small number of them, but I am open to correction.
I agree. And yet so many people are quite uncomfortable with the idea of their return. Quite happy not to raise a finger to that end. You'd be surprised.
John - I agree that there are problems. But in the end, I believe that reconciliation would bring great benefits both to us and to the SSPX. I pray for a good and just solution.
They have built and immediately, consecrated the Church. So the church is clear of debt. That is remarkable in these days of global fiscal hardship and crisis. Clearly the good God is on their side as they are plainly on His. Yes Father, we need the FSSPX on the barque of Peter.
We can all help by joining their Rosary Crusade for the removal of the excommunications. Let us storm the Throne of Grace with our rosaries for a good resolution.
John Kearney - if you think the "World Woodstock Day" is a force for good, then you should go and see what happens there. I can't bring myself to think of how many sacrileges a large scale event would practically guarantee. Plus, it is an undeniable fact that most of boys go to such events to meet girls, get drunk and "have a good time".
The fact that the Stations of the Cross had to be altered (again!) this year, at the request of the Jews, would send the message to the SSPX that Rome is willing to compromise to be all things to all men.
And I don't need to go into how "Theology of the Body" is a massive departure from the traditional Catholic theology on sex and marriage. This article from the Remnant Newspaper will suffice.
Wow -- new churches that actually look like *churches* rather than bingo halls or shopping centres! Why can't *we* build new churches that look holy and sacred places of worship?...
John,
The "advances in teaching" you list have really got nothing to do with Rome - theology of the body was very much a Papa Wojtyla subject; EWTN is based in America last time I checked; and World Youth Day is organised by the local organisers (and if you don't realise the dangers associated with WYD then you need to check out Christopher Ferrara's article. The SSPX have rejoiced over the Motu Proprio on the Mass, so let's not build straw men in this serious situation.
I don't think everything is perfect at the WYD events but there are also some very good things. Just as in the pilgrimages going back over centuries there would be some who sinned during the Pilgrimage but It doesn't vitiate all the good that happens. I don't think anyone is in a position to say "as an undeniable fact" that "most boys" go for sinful purposes.
It was rash of me to say that line - but I certainly stand by the fact, that the occasion for sin is greater in WYD than, say, a Chartres Pilgrimage - where there is a modest dress code to be adhered to, when assisting at mass.
I cannot see however, what good could come out of the liturgically abuse filled masses that are celebrated, not to mention the doctrinal deviations that are spread there (No - I am not talking about "Catholics" For Choice giving your son or daughter a condom to use. I have heard that in WYD in Denver, a woman played the part of Our Lord!).
Better time would be spent sending your children to Chartres or the traditional family weekend retreats organised by the St. Catherine's Trust.
I see the SSPX has opened a new church in the city of Laon, Mexico, dedicated to Our Lady of the Rosary.
Rorate coeli has the details.
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