Then it dawned on me. I know the date of the universal permission to celebrate the Classical Roman Rite...
14 July 1570
(Bull Quo primum tempore of Pope St Pius V).
(Bull Quo primum tempore of Pope St Pius V).
In fact, a Commission of Cardinals, including Cardinal Ratzinger, appointed by Pope John Paul II, unanimously agreed that Pope Paul VI never gave the bishops the authority to forbid priests from celebrating the traditional rite of Mass and that priests cannot be obliged to celebrate the new rite of Mass. The rumour of this conclusion became widespread. It was publicly confirmed in 1995 by Cardinal Stickler (a member of the commission) at the Christi Fidelis conference in Fort Lee, New Jersey. The Cardinals wished to draw up a document affirming the universal right of priests to celebrate the Classical Rite but opposition from some episcopal conferences led Pope John Paul to decide not to publish such a decree.
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Father - have you ever thought of applying for a celebret to say mass according to the 1962 Missal wherever you are - not withstanding what interfering parish priests or bishops may say?
Probably mean that you have to carry prortable altar cards, chalice veils, etc but hey!
I think this is what Fr. Z of WDTPRS and Fr. Ignacio Barrerio have.
Father - therefore, does that mean that in reality no permission is needed to celebrate the Traditional Rite? In other words, the right is there anyway - it simply hasn't been advertised because some bishops decided they didn't want the pope to tell the faithful?
And this is the reason the present Holy Father will issue his desire 'Motu Proprio' (of his own volition).
Then possibly all depends on you, Father.
Perhaps rather than a Motu Proprio a dubium should be submitted along the lines of, "Any priest may celebrate the Sacrifice of Mass according to the Missal of 1962", maybe the Holy Father waits for this.
If you are right the reply will be an immediate "Affirmativo".
My Latin is not up to it and I don't feel that strongly about it. I am sure that when/if it comes it will be on the back of some other document most probably the Exhortation following the 2005 Synod on the Holy Eucharist, which really should be out soon. This, I hope is the important document for all of us who hope for a real sign of the renewal of the Church and the Liturgy.
Andrew - yes, I've got one of those. "Rescript" they call it - they make it very clear it is not a "celebret" i.e. if you have some other irregularity, it doesn't absolve you.
Fr Ray - that's a good idea. I'll wait for this Exhortation but work on it in the meantime. I have always said that the only thing really needed is something bureaucratic like this. (As was done for Altar Girls, after all...)
Personally I'm coming to the conclusion that the Tridentine Mass is a bit trendy & modern for my liking and we should start having Mass in the pre 1370 liturgies (after all Pius V specifically gave an indult for all liturgies in use for over 200 years prior to 1570 to continue and this has never been abrogated....)
[note to all priests, please don't try this at home as this sort of thing seems to upset Bishops for some reason]
Anyway this weblink gives a fascinating insight to the pre tridentine mass and also links to English translations of various pre tridentine liturgies (for which Pius V indult is still going..stir..stir)including the York, Sarum and Leofric missals.
The .pdf of the leofric is a diskbusting 44MB.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Tridentine_Mass
Fr Tim, do the carthusians still use their own rite (which pre dates the tridentine by about 400 years) with the offertory at the beginning of mass. They certainly were up to Vatican 2 because my mother attended such a mass?
The Carthusians still have a recognisably Carthusian rite. Unfortunately, it was changed under Archbishop Bugnini's influence. But yes, the chalice etc. are prepared at the beginning, they prostrate after the consecration and the priest holds his arms out, standing in the form of a cross during parts of the Canon. It is different in many respects from the Roman rite.
Good one, Father. Good one.
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