Sorry to post this video, but it does rather illustrate the problems that we face in the Liturgy today. The clip includes shots from two Masses. In one, a woman dressed as a devil gives out holy communion. In the second, a woman dressed as a witch reads the scriptures, the priest tells the people in his "homily" how hot he felt last year with his superman costume under his vestments, and jokes that "Only at Corpus Christi does the Devil himself become a Eucharistic Minister". He invites all "goblins and ghouls" to pray the Lord's Prayer, and before the final blessing, he goes off to dress as Barney, comes back and dances around, including dancing with a woman dressed as a witch.
Now tell me how terrible and divisive it would be if the Holy Father were to issue a Motu Proprio giving greater freedom for the Classical Roman Rite.
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please can you explain what it could mean in practical terms if there is a Motu Proprio giving greater freedom for the Classical Roman Rite. E.g. could there be daily Mass available in the Roman Rite at a local parish church in the UK?
One word: sacrilege
Greater freedom for the Classical Roman Rite would mean that those priests who were inclined to offer such services to the faithful might be more free to do so, rather than being prohibited or inhibited or restricted as they are at the moment. It could only be good news. However it would not be the end of the story by any means.
I feel poorly now. Come to think of it, this is from the same diocese where devoutly kneeling during the Eucharistic Prayer was outlawed.
Would, and if so how, greater use of the TLM/Classical Roman Rite prevent and/or decrease such "liturgy"?
Please, before I get trounced, I'm asking this as an honest question. I've been blessed that the vast majority of Masses I've been to - all Novus Ordo - have been reverent in the main part. I don't feel anything more than an intellectual curiosity for the older Mass, mixed in with some emotional reaction to non-constructive vehemence I've come across. I know the Novus Ordo can be celebrated with beauty and reverence, and I don't understand why so many are pouring so much effort into a "different" Mass which seems to amount to Novus Ordo-bashing, rather than liturgical abuse-bashing.
Perhaps we could reserve the coucilling you suggest in your earlier post [ a couple of posts down ] for Andrew, to this priest instead?
This is really appalling stuff. Paulinus has it spot on.
If anyone doesn't believe there's a Satan, or a Hell, or demonic influence, he need only look at this video.
This poor parish is securely in the clutches of the father of lies.
Unbelievable.
It might be that this current liturgical winter has to go on for some while longer; although, in my view, it is an abuse of episcopal power to prohibit the classical rite and, indeed, represents a paradoxical inversion of the so-called authoritarianism of the pre-Conciliar Church against itself, I wonder whether the purification that this venerable rite has undergone since then, perhaps in a more truthful fidelity to the council itself, would not be compromised by deceivers who, wishing to advertise their openess to 'diversity' attempt to harm the traditional liturgy by parodying it's supposed lack of 'pastoral' qualities? I.e. 'Folks, you heard about the amazing 13 minute mass, well, here it is and aren't you glad for the new liturgy!'
Simply unbelievable!
What next - a black mass to celebrate the winter solstice???
How stupid can the laiety of that parish be in following this obviously 'disturbed' (more likely diabolically possessed) priest.
We should pray and offer up the Divine Praises more regularly and fervently for such scandal and abuse against Our Blessed Lord.
This behaviour in a Church will surely frighten people off, the Californian Church looked very empty, I feel if I took my non catholic friends to such a Mass they would run a mile. I'm sure both these churches will soon start a new schism.
I am absolutly thunderstruck.
One really tries not to judge but this pretty stomach churning stuff.
I won't let anyone flame you for asking that, Puella. It is a sensible question and one to which I wish to devote some time in a post as soon as I get the opportunity.
This travesty has nothing to do with Novus Ordo, imho, but with disobedience and disloyalty at the highest level. If this video has hit the blogosphere, then the Bishop must surely be aware of it. If he is aware of it and hasn't ordered the suspension of this priest, he is the one who must answer for the offence against God and the effect on the salvation of the souls of these poor parishioners. As sympathetic as I am to the cause of the old Mass, I would not be happy if 'old rite' fans used this as another occasion to knock the new rite. And I don't think Fr Finigan was intending this. And no, a universal indult should not be divisive.
It's horrendous.
Poor Jesus.
:-(
How ironic that the Communion song had the words "Open my eyes Oh Lord, and help me to see".
That's certainly a pray that Priest needs to earnestly pray, being as spiritually blind as he is.
Maybe I'm being a bit pedestrian about this, but hasn't the priest's Bishop been asked to comment? To discipline?
Does he know that this video is "out there"?
It's all very well that we can see this to be shocked and outraged by it, but who has done what to ensure that it doesn't happen again?
Thanks, Fr., I'm grateful to you. Please don't hurry, as you have other obligations and I could do with teaching myself more patience and how-to-deal-with-overly-emotional reactions to things. But I do look forward to learning from you.
I don't know if Bp. Tod Brown of the Diocese of 'The O.C.' has commented yet. Perhaps he is too busy grabbing elderly matrons and pulling them up as they attempt to kneel after the Agnus Dei.
But I do know that the Apostolic Nuncio has been alerted. And he is not. happy.
This is so blasphemous. Can you advise me Fr. whether or not the Sacrifice of the Mass would have taken place.
If he used wheaten bread and fermented juice of the grape, used the form given by the Church and intended to do what the Church does, and if he is a validly ordained priest, the Mass is valid.
(Which actually makes it worse - sacrilege guaranteed.)
Does "intended to do what the Church does" mean that if a priest no longer believes in transubstantion, but only recites the words of consecration as a memorial narrative, the mass is not valid?
Father,
Wasn't he doing quite a bit of ad-libbing throughout?
I am curious to know if the actual words of consecration were videoed, though I suspect not.
Valid but illicit so far as we know?
Where did this priest go to seminary? I'm dying to know.
Nevermind. I just found it.
"The youngest of three children, Fr. Fred grew up in Anaheim, being baptized at St. Boniface and attending Sunkist Elementary School, Sycamore Junior High School, Anaheim High School and California State University Fullerton, graduating in 1976.
Having worked in the National Park concessions during his college summers, Fr. Fred's original intention was to enter the seminary as a seminarian for the Diocese of Laramie, encompassing the entire state of Wyoming. (Uhhh, just a note: I once lived in Cheyenne. There is NO Diocese of Laramie. In Wyoming, the only Diocese is that of Cheyenne.) Coming to his senses, Fr. Fred returned to Southern California and spent a brief period exercising his B.A. degree in Communications by working in a small family-run advertising agency in Orange.
Fr. Fred attended St. John's Seminary in Camarillo and was ordained to the Diaconate in 1982 and to the Priesthood in 1983. He has served in St. Joseph's Parish in Santa Ana, Our Lady of Guadalupe Parish in La Habra, San Antonio de Padua in Anaheim Hills, St. John the Baptist in Costa Mesa, St. Martin's in Yorba Linda and most recently at St. Timothy's in Laguna Niguel. "
Pray for the poor people of that diocese. I would be surprised if the bishop does anything about this, and even more surprised if the Vatican does anything.
I have attended masses with "fellowship intermissions" here too, although they have not involved costumes. One of them was an Easter Vigil. I am very careful now about the prospects of walking into messes-in-progress.
The mere fact that one sees a few silently receiving Holy Communion on the tongue and looking scandalized (plus the parishoner filming outrages,etc) shows that there are some who have not lost all sense of the sacred, however, if they had not been exposed to the runups to this, they'd probably have left the building entirely, as many of us would have done. I would have gotten in my car and gone to the nearest SSPX installation if that were all that was available in that diocese (a real possibility).
There is no excuse for this.
I was especially repelled (sickened) by the description of the superman costume on the priest. It says volumes about what the problem might be. Sick, sick, sick.
Matt - on validity. This was always a controverted question: something of a minefield in sacramental theolgy.
The minister must intend to do what the Church does. Most theologians (though not all) taught that this intention must be internal or formal, that is, the minister must have the intention not only of doing an external rite but also of doing what the Church intends by this external rite.
Again, the common view is that this intention need not be explicit and determined, it could be implicit, that is, the minister could intend to do what Christ instituted or what the true Church does.
Therefore it is difficult to be certain whether the Mass would be invalid if said by a priest who no longer believes in transubstantiation.
In response to Fr Boyle and others - yes, I know for certain that the bishop of the diocese is aware of this aberration.
It is highly unlikely he will do anything, even privately. It will be seen as inculturating local festivities and that no sacrilege or anything of that was intended.
In other words, it was harmless fun!! During the Holy Sacrifice? Distributing Holy Communion dressed as a devil? Wearing a super-man costume underneath vestments (on the other hand, I suppose we should be thankful at least he wore vestments)? Dressed as a cartoon character?? Ridiculing the feast of Corpus Christi?
That entire diocese needs prayers - as does most of California, particularly LA and San Fran.
Hello! My name is Susan Teissere and my husbands name is Michael. I came across this blog through another blog. My husband and I are from southern California not to far away from this particular parish. Actually we know one of the persons who video taped this "halloween mass". That being said, we know that Bishop Tod Brown of The Diocese of Orange, allows this "halloween mass" to happen. A person last year personal met with Bishop Brown to complain about it. Bishop Brown told this person that it is not my problem, you need to go and talk to Fr. Fred about it. That being said, my husband and I know for sure Bishop Brown dosen't care, infact if he did care for what The Church Teaches, he wouldn't allow my husbands cousin Fr. Rod Stephens to wreck Churchs in the diocese for $300.00 an hour consultation fee. My husband Cousin Fr. Rod Stephens is also living in a open homosexual relationship all with the appproval of Bishop Tod Brown. ( please check out The Cafeteria Is Closed Blogspot
Our story is there, in the October,2006 archives, under The Fr. Rod Stephens saga..) There you will learn about how Bishop Tod Brown had my husband and I sign an oath of secrecy to hide evil acts of the homosexual kind of Fr. Rod Stephens. There is so much to say, but I will leave with this for now, my husband and I have been completely scandalized by Bishop Tod Brown. Please feel free to email us at actionem@yahoo.com Thank you and God Bless, Susan Teissere
Susan - what a terribly sad story; my prayers are with you and your husband. Bishop Brown certainly has a lot to answer for - I was aware of lots of abuses he tolerates, but your story presents an even more scandalous picture. The sad thing is - it is highly unlikely that anything will be done about it, even from those in higher authority than bishop Brown who know about the scandals.
Pope Paul VI was right - the smoke of satan has entered the Church.
Maybe this sounds extreme, but I feel the time has come for action.
If we believe this Halloween Mass was not a valid mass (because the "priest" cannot possibly intending to do as the Church does) then it is the duty of real believers to put a stop to sacrilege of this kind. Next year's "mass" should be occupied by traditionalists and the press alerted. This will ensure a high profile case which Toad Brown will be forced to deal with.
Or is my anger forcing me to suggest something which is unworthy of faithful Catholics? Am I being naive?
THIS MUST BE REPORTED TO ROME
Good Lord, deliver us!
at least the choir is made of angels. can the same be said about their singing?
this is horrible.
Sua Eminenza
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